Comment by Kenj Yap on January 11, 2013 at 8:25pm

Yeah!! very helpful.. 

Xiexie :)


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Comment by sikora on January 11, 2013 at 9:38pm

This is a great one Tom!  I'd love to get some more examples from any of the native speakers out there.  Like, I'm wondering if this can be applied to verbs the same way we use it in English, for example:

这个字我得写去。

Zhège zì wǒ de xiě qù.

I have to write this character down.

But that doesn't seem right to me; ending with 写去。


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Comment by Thomas Doherty on January 12, 2013 at 5:27am

 这个字我有写在纸上。( might work but a native speaker might see a problem with it !! )

 Zhège zì wǒ yǒu xiě zài zhǐ shàng.

 This character I have to write on paper.


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Comment by sikora on January 12, 2013 at 9:32am

Tom, I like yours better than mine for sure, but I don't think I've ever seen 有 used to mean "have to." Maybe 得,需要,or 应该 might be more appropriate?  The 在纸上 makes perfect sense (at least to me).


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Comment by Seraph Ching on January 12, 2013 at 10:02am

I have to write this character down.

这个字我得写下来。

or

我得把这个字写下来。

这个字我有写在纸上。  Sentence is correct, but meaning is in past tense.    I have written this character on paper.   "have" is part of the tense here.


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Comment by Thomas Doherty on January 12, 2013 at 11:28am

Yeah.  I thought at the time I was cheating.  New Rule: " if you think you are stretching a meaning and slipping a "to" where it does not belong, You probably are doing just that ".  Thanks   Seraph Ching ,  I thought that might be the case.


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Comment by Thomas Doherty on January 12, 2013 at 11:59am

Is 得  the  děi  Pinyin form to mean "to have to " ?   I need to study 得 more.  It has 3 Pinyin forms " de děi" and  many meanings and even more meanings with 2 character forms !!   It has only 1 form in Cantonese  "dak1".


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Comment by Seraph Ching on January 12, 2013 at 12:35pm

Hi Thomas,

It's děi here, means "have to, need to" 

I 得 study more   

我得多学习

I need to study more. / I have to study more.

When it sounds dé, it's much more complicated, can check Pleco or I can send you by msg if you need.

When it sounds de, it's between a verb and its complement to express possiblity/degree.

possibility 拿得动 = can carry       拿不动 = can't carry

possibility 办得到 = can do     办不到 = can't do

possiblility 记得住= can remember   记不住 =  can't remember

possibility 写得出 = can write    写不出  = can't write

degree   写得好 = well written   写得不好 = not very well written  写不好 = can't write well

When it's used as denying possibility, you replace 得 with 不, can't use 拿得不动,记得不住.

When it's used as degree, with 得 means you deny the degree, without 得 means you deny the possibility.

Comment by angel shen on January 12, 2013 at 12:48pm

Sorry, I couldn't see the video.

这个字我得写下来。

This chinese sentence let me feel to do writing positive. You are wondering to complete it.

我得把这个字写下来。

This chinese sentence let me feel to do writing negative. You have to finish it as homework that the teacher let you finish.


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Comment by Thomas Doherty on March 31, 2013 at 7:57pm

More on Complements here in the Chinese Grammar Wiki:   http://resources.allsetlearning.com/chinese/grammar/Complement   

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